All these decades later I am sitting here having burnt my baptism photos. With that gesture I am no longer on my way, I am free. Maybe I should now go too YouTube and watch that cup final I missed in 1984. But I won't because we lost it. However for me and I hope for Watford F.C it's onwards and upwards from this day forward.
The Rebel
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Do you remember 1975? I remember 1984.
by The Rebel inif i mention "1984" you will probably think of george orwell and his book " 1984".however i think of "1984" as a year in my life when watford football club reached the f.a cup final.
( the f.a cup is the biggest footballing occasion in english sport, and my club " little watford" were in it) but instead of going to watch the game, i was forced by my dad to miss attending the match and prioritize on theocratic w.t study.. so for me the year 1984 was the year i should have woken up to " the truth about the truth" sadly it took another 30 years of generation and doctrinal change before this boy became " awake" and understood his defining moment and realized he was fooled by the w.t.. anyway 1984 was a long time ago, but today in 2016, i realized 1984 had a " modern day 2016 application" that happened last saturday, when i took my boy to watch my " little " watford play "mighty "manchester united" and we won 3.1. now it's wednesday and my boy and i are still on cloud 9, even orlandos school teacher started monday lessons by saying " well done watford ".
yes little watford outplayed and beat the mighty united.
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My thoughts on our online community.
by The Rebel ini will start this o.p by a review of the mental conditioni i find many former or current witnesses at when they join the board :-.
1. broken relationships.. 2. lonliness/ depression.
3. guilt / shame .
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It would be remiss of me not to thank posters for their insightful thoughts and kind comments. Much appreciated.
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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Prologos " Could not these seeming setbacks be incernments in life's journey to better adaption"
Anyway I feel I have gotten to know God fairly well since I left the W.T. In my opinion he believes the virus of violence begets more violence, and he uses nature and the drowning of babies, to teach us about this loving purpose. Sorry these are not the values of a loving God I will teach my son.
For once I whole heartedly agree with Cofty:- BOLLOCKS.
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"Why Did JWs Ignore Princes Drug Additctions?" by Barbara Anderson
by AndersonsInfo inover a month ago, the associated press in minneapolis reported that counterfeit pills were found at prince’s home.
some contained powerful opioid fentanyl, a synthetic drug 50 times stronger than heroin found in dozens of pills.
these and other mislabeled drugs were found in luggage belonging to the late music star.
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The Rebel
Simon wrote " could it be that they really didn't care about him?
My question would be "Who are the they?
This is the problem when we attach ourselfs to an organisation. An organisation doesn't have feelings. It's individuals in the organisation that have feelings. In my opinion blaming an organisation can therefore make the blame meaningless.
So who in the organisation should be responsible and cared. According to the " Guardian newspaper" it was the elders at the K.H Prince attended. In a similar way the media are highlighting a case against Jim Carey and his girlfriends suicide.
So whilst I agree the elders possibly didn't care, do we know if they were even aware of his drug addiction? As for the organisation it can learn from it and set up qualified support for members with addiction. But that would take an individual in the organisation with the power to implement such an idea. This I do not believe will happen because the image of the organisation is more important than the indiduals with addiction problems.
So my answer to who the "They that don't care " are, is the governing body.
Beware of organisation. Never was a truer statement made.
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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It's easy to consider tsunamis to be accidents, uncontrolled events if you were not there to see it exist in its actual form. However if you were there, had it recorded for posterity in your memory, prehaps having lost family members, well then you may see it differently, and if you were a beliver in God, you may view him differently, if at all.
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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Personally upon leaving the W.T I would answer, being a decent husband, father to my son, not doing too much harm in the world, and finding inner contentment is purpose enough in life for me. I would however suggest that to believe we can express in words what life's "purpose" is, is to assume that we can put into words, or some, formula, the entire nature of the cosmos.
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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going back before my grandparents I know nothing about generation after generation of ancestors, except presumably they lived and died. Anyway we too will dissolve and one day leave nothing behind, not even a trace of the posts we made here will remain. So keep posting its maybe not so much asking the question " what is the purpose in life? that is important, but " having a purpose in life that's important"
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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Vivianne, I think your posts are always more good than harmful, and I like the fact that you never play cat and mouse before you blow a poster in to a jigsaw puzzle. Yes thankfully we have Viv and her logical answers. Viviane a poster who makes this the real home for people joining an " Ex-Jehovers Witness Discussion forum". However i think we need an added feature where you could take texts and tweets. Now that would be something.
Ummmmm and what does Ummmmm mean?
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RIP dad, who introduced me to this fairytail of everlastin life and paradise :(
by Frezia inless than 5 hours ago my great dad fell asleep the last time :( still in a bit of a shock and sad that i will not see him again...i promised myself that once he is here no more, i will somehow make my move out of this organisation who kept us all captive believing in a fantasy of an everlasting life :( i am in a tricky situation, since raised as jw, still in, married to an active jw, and pretty sure that all in my social and family circle will turn their backs on me if i finally say goodbye to a fairytail ;(.
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Frezia, I think of you, how difficult it must have been to write about your dads deaths only five hours after his passing. I am pleased for you that so many who you have never met have given thoughtful messages acknowledging the emotions behind your O.P and your dads passing. This shows that in your post " all in your social network havnt turned there back on you." I also hope you seek friends from work, or find worldly people who will listen to your emotions...I just want to highlight such people are not in the minority, seek them out find them. The loosing a parent takes a long time, even a year to get over whatever the relationship in life was.
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My thoughts on our online community.
by The Rebel ini will start this o.p by a review of the mental conditioni i find many former or current witnesses at when they join the board :-.
1. broken relationships.. 2. lonliness/ depression.
3. guilt / shame .
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mrquik " As I always say: LIVE WELL...ENJOY LIFE! " and may I add Spocks immortal words " LIVE LONG AND PROSPER"
I am glad you found a wonderful woman, but remember nice people attract and your new wife found a wonderful husband. As for anti witnessing, witnesses are like women, they are everywhere but very few are we compatible with. And when we are married those other women we talk with, are just small talk anyway. So to translate I am not dedicated to anti-witnessing unless they have nice legs :-)
O.K before the dislike button is pushed " the nice legs" mean they are not superficial witnesses, umm I am putting myself more in it, but thats because the 18 year old teenager is still in me....and that's what teenagers say sometimes, silly things on a discussion forum, but it's only part of growing up.